Coop Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Construction will break ground shortly at my house for an addition that will include a much needed larger master bathroom. As part of the construction will mean my wife and I moving to another bedroom, she has asked that I not build the vanities as she is afraid that I will hold up construction ( and that might be valid) . I have received permission though to build the door leading into the bathroom. I didn’t tell her I have never built a door before. Dimensions will be 1.5” x 36” x 80” and will be built out of some walnut slabs that I’ve had drying for about 5 years. If all goes right, it will look something like this. https://www.doors4home.com/p-3917-c4-1.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrcfXkoja6gIVSr3ACh18pgBMEAsYAiABEgIna_D_BwE#mz-expanded-view-295661456540 Due to the weight, I’m thinking of making the glass lites larger than shown above. I did a full size pattern as seen below. The glass lites are the blue taped in area. Shown are with 5” stiles, 8” bottom rail, 5” top rail and 3.5” center rails. Any criticism will be taken as constructive and welcomed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye (Bryan) Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 For a bathroom I'm not sure I would want that much glass in the door. I would do glass for the top "panel" or maybe even the top 2. If you are using frosted glass that would be a different story. Also make sure you do 3 quality hinges. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 The glass will be tempered and frosted and yeah, There will be 3 large quality hinges. I’m just wondering if the middle rails should be wider, maybe 5”, to make the look balance better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye (Bryan) Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 To me, the top and bottom rails should be larger than the middle rails. I think what you have looks good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmize Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 It look proportional to me. Soild wood doors are heavy that all there is to that. If it is a bathroom door I would leave a bigger gap at the bottom along the sill. For two reason one expansion due to humidity from the shower. Also to help the the steam a place to escape to help the possibility of the mildew 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 I wanted the glass panels not quiet so tall. I re-drew (taped) it with the center rails the same as the stiles. Ideas? My next idea would be to use 5 glass panels with much smaller center rails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye (Bryan) Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Lay it on the other side with 5 and see what you like best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 Here it is with five. Darn good thing this tape can be used over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye (Bryan) Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Coop, actually like the five window design a bit better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 Thanks Bryan. That has been the consensus among my family members as well. Hopefully, when finished, it will look better than the ply pattern. I’ll post the progress, ever so slight as it may be. I’m kinda wanting to do the frame, jamb and trim in walnut as well but I’m not sure how much walnut I’m willing to sacrifice if this goes south. I guess I can still say that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 I like the very first layout the best. Just looks the most natural proportions to me. I also don’t think you can go wrong with any of them. I say use up the walnut! This is a project that you will be sitting an staring at 15 min a day for a long time to come. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 I’m thinking jointery. Loose tenons, as deep as my current bit will allow me to make the mortises. Cutting edge on the current router bit is 1 1/4”. I’ll test some scrap pieces tomorrow to see how deep I can make them. Someone suggested bridle joints which would be super strong but I’m not sure how I would cut the center out of the 80” long stiles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushwacked Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 crazy idea here ... but to me, maybe the top and bottom glass, then combine with middle for a bigger one ?? or stick with 5 I like that look too ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 Hmmm. I’ll re-tape and see what that looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 BW, I taped it up and put it out there for her. She still likes the 5 panel best. Thanks though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Coop said: BW, I taped it up and put it out there for her. She still likes the 5 panel best. Thanks though. I like that one but, I think your boss has different ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 It’s kinda growing on me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 17 hours ago, Coop said: She still likes the 5 panel best. Then I think that is what you should do.? 1 Quote "Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not; remember that what you now have was once among the things you only hoped for." - Epicurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushwacked Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 haha, it does look good, however dont let me get you stabbed in the middle of the night ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye (Bryan) Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 What if you just did 1 large glass panel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmize Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 It may just be me so no offense. Why not just do a traditional m&t joint instead of a loose tenon. Routing a mortise in end grain SUCKS at least it did when I tried it. It could have just been the bit I was using a sharp straight but. That would put the mortises in the long stiles an tenons on the shorter rails the TS or bandsaw could handle with ease. I think the dowels will be a nice feature. On 7/24/2020 at 10:24 PM, Coop said: I’m thinking jointery. Loose tenons, as deep as my current bit will allow me to make the mortises. Cutting edge on the current router bit is 1 1/4”. I’ll test some scrap pieces tomorrow to see how deep I can make them. Someone suggested bridle joints which would be super strong but I’m not sure how I would cut the center out of the 80” long stiles? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Tmize said: It may just be me so no offense. Why not just do a traditional m&t joint instead of a loose tenon. Routing a mortise in end grain SUCKS at least it did when I tried it. It could have just been the bit I was using a sharp straight but. That would put the mortises in the long stiles an tenons on the shorter rails the TS or bandsaw could handle with ease. I think the dowels will be a nice feature. With the floating tenon and the router guide, once I set the guide up, I will reference the mortise off of the same side on each board and and all sides should line up pretty darn close. I practiced on some scrap yesterday with the only decent size straight cutting bit I have and both the end grain and long grain went well. I have ordered a 1/2” spiral up bit from Whiteside and expect it to go even better, fingers crossed! 1 hour ago, Woodenskye (Bryan) said: What if you just did 1 large glass panel? That was an option but my thinking was the more rails I have, the less chance of racking. I just watched a you tube video where the guy uses PC-7 epoxy. It is very thick (less runs on the squeeze out) and also has the advantage of a long no working time. Has anyone ever used this? My plan is to use the West System 105 resin and 206 hardener that I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I'd have no issues using the WS stuff.. That's what I have on hand and use for longer glue ups.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 I got this today from Whiteside for the mortises. That one mean looking bit! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) It will be approx 6-8 weeks before the contractor will need the door. Right now, the boards are in the shop/garage, stickered and are about 3/8” shy of the desired 1 1/2” thickness. Would it be better to: 1. Joint and plane them down to the 1 1/2” and build the door now and move it inside? 2. Move the boards inside and build the door closer to desired time? 3. Hell, there are so many options, I’m open to suggestions. Thanks Again, this will be an interior dood. Edited August 1, 2020 by Coop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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