Tmize Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Back to woodworking ?. When I built ours I did twin 1/2 tenons in the top an bottom. It hasn’t fell apart yet. I was closer to 2” thick on my legs tho. 1/4” gap between 1/4” on each side 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 Did mess around with my hcm tonight. Put a new base and fence on it. Had to go with a 2” thick fence to allow the hold down to clear the head of the machine. Not the highest quality piece of equipment made but fir $75 with like six chisel sets it should do the trick. Thanks fir the advice of doing two passes with the half inch chisel, works pretty nice and by flipping the board end fir end it makes sure the mortise is centered. Did a little practice run with it and didn’t go to bad. Think it is going to be the method that I use for the 8 mortises. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Nicely done.. It's easy to throw money at a problem sometimes but, more satisfying when you get the job done without throwing money at it.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 Got back to work on the table over the weekend. I took the table top boards to a guys place who just got a new 20” grizzly spiral head planer. Did a really nice job on the planks. The boards started out around 2 3/16” thick and by time we got the cupping out they were down to 1 15/16”. Did some cutting and jointing to get the top ready for gluing. Struggled with the boards to get a really good joint. They were just so big and heavy that made it tricky. Got the 3 boards ready to glue and decided to do it in 2 glue ups. Did put biscuits in for alignment. First glue up went well....used a elmers waterproof glue that I don’t think I will ever use again. It seemed gritty and I felt like I really loaded the joint up with a lot of glue. Once I clamped it I got very little squeeze out. Let it sit in the clamps for about 2-3 hours and went on to the 3rd board. Was by myself gluing it up. Wish I would’ve had some help! The pipe clamps I have weren’t all long enough to get across the table, so I hook them together to clamp the joint. With doing it myself and with the hooking of clamps I couldn’t hold them to clamp on the bottom and top. With all the clamps on the top it actually pulled open the glue joint from the first gluing. I have never had anything like that happen to me before. Was really disappointed in the results. I let the table sit overnight clamped and then ripped the first glue line out. Used tight bond for the new joint. Went together pretty well. I did have some help getting the clamps in place on it. With the fresh end cuts it did expose some more of the shake that is in this log. Quite a bit of end checking that is getting pretty frustrating to work with. Have decided that with all the cracks and checking that breadboard ends will be going on. Not just for looks in this case but will be structural. Took the top to the cabinet shop that I worked at to have the top sanded. Talked to the owners son who was just a little shit that ran around the shop when I worked there. Boy has he come a long ways! He is a wiz with the Cnc router and the molder. He recommended putting the top on the router to get it perfectly flat before running through the sander. The kid works with a ton of solid slabs and that is how he likes to handle them. So on the cnc it went. In 10 min the top was flat. From there we went to the 3 head wide belt sander. Can really see the markings from the cnc. Bit musta been 3” wide. Got the top back home and trimmed the ends with a straight edge and a circular saw. Went back over them with a straight bit and the router to make sure they were square. Worked really well! Added a little piece of scrap to the edge to prevent blowout. Also got the breadboard ends milled up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmize Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Great come back after a bad glue. It’s awesome having access be that amazing equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tmize said: Great come back after a bad glue. It’s awesome having access be that amazing equipment Thanks! Yes it is really awesome that I can get access to it. They do charge me some but it’s worth every penny. I think with the sander it’s $2.50 a min, but the amount you can get done in one minute would take a hour by hand. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 When I used to use pipe clamps I had a hand full of different lengths of pipe stored in the corner of the shop I could change to when I needed a different size. Quote "Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not; remember that what you now have was once among the things you only hoped for." - Epicurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmize Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 That reminds me I need more clamps? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, Chet said: When I used to use pipe clamps I had a hand full of different lengths of pipe stored in the corner of the shop I could change to when I needed a different size. Same here, been buying some more clamps slowly. Usually grab one or two of them when I get to the box store. Had a chunk of pipe with threads on both ends that got cut in half for this project. I just needed quite a few of the clamps for this glue up. You guys know the old saying that you never have enough clamps. It really is holding true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 3, 2020 Author Share Posted June 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tmize said: That reminds me I need more clamps? Same here! A spot to put them would be really nice as well! Going to tackle that problem when this table is completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Tmize said: That reminds me I need more clamps? The old saying goes that you never have enough clamps.. I've been pondering that thought for a while now and I'm not sure I believe in that saying like I used to.. IF I were going to add clamps today, they would probably be some pipe/bar style clamps so that I could make them really long. I might also consider replacing my smaller lighter duty Besseys with the regular K-Bodies just so they match the collection. But, that's really about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmize Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Kev said: The old saying goes that you never have enough clamps.. I've been pondering that thought for a while now and I'm not sure I believe in that saying like I used to.. IF I were going to add clamps today, they would probably be some pipe/bar style clamps so that I could make them really long. I might also consider replacing my smaller lighter duty Besseys with the regular K-Bodies just so they match the collection. But, that's really about it! Most all mine are pipe clamps. I have like 2 bar clamps, 2 parallels, 6- f type. I get by but I could use more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 54 minutes ago, Tmize said: Most all mine are pipe clamps. I have like 2 bar clamps, 2 parallels, 6- f type. I get by but I could use more Don’t get me wrong, I’ve certainly had them all off the wall on a single project and there have been a few occasions I wish I had more short ones but, for the most part, adding to the collection is very low on my priority list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I had a project that I needed 18 f-style clamps for a glue up. Bessey's would have run about $550 total for that number. But this was sort of a one time deal so I didn't want to sink that much in to clamps. But Menards sells some F style clamps called master force, that for the price I think are the best ones on the market. Theirs cost me about $180 They only come in three sizes, 12, 24 & 36 inches, but they only cost $10, $12 and $14 each. I like the handles better then my Bessey's. The plastic no mar pads don't stay on well but neither do the ones on my Bessey's. I am replacing them all with leather as the come off. 1 Quote "Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not; remember that what you now have was once among the things you only hoped for." - Epicurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 4, 2020 Author Share Posted June 4, 2020 12 hours ago, Tmize said: Most all mine are pipe clamps. I have like 2 bar clamps, 2 parallels, 6- f type. I get by but I could use more I have mostly pipe clams. For the money can’t go wrong. I have a few f style clamps that I don’t use all that often. My all time favorite clamps to use are the wooden screw clamps, so many uses for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 Got back to work on the table Friday night. Was really the only time I had all weekend to get some work on it in. Started by cutting the mortises for the breadboard ends, just used a 1/2 straight bit, plunge router and a router fence to get the job done. Worked pretty well but did smoke the bit with all the end grain. I stood the table up on end against my bench to do the process. Had to stand on a step stool to see what I was doing. At that height the dust really flew everywhere around the shop. I wasn’t able to use my dust collection on the router as I was plunging 2 1/16 of an inch deep. Got the ends milled up and cut the mortises into them. Used the same setup as on the top being sure to register off the top side of both pieces for alignment reasons. Then used a 1/2 rabbiting bit to cut the top tenon. Used the new bandsaw to resaw a few left over pieces to make the loose tenons. Saw worked perfectly doing this! The floating tenons did receive a 1/4 round over to fit the mortises. I made them oversized and fit each one individual. Had minor tweaks to make to some of them as the mortises were not all the same. Which didn’t matter much to me as they will never be seen. Did a test fit before I called it a night and was pretty happy how it all came together. Need to cut the grove in the ends yet to finish them up. Had to order in some oak dowel, never thought about it much till I was needing it. Figured the local lumber yards would have it in stock. They all carry a poplar dowel but no oak. The big box stores have it but they are all an hour away. All the routing with the straight bit made a huge mess in the shop! Did get it all pretty well cleaned up today along with the chore of taking out the dust barrel. It’s amazing how fast it fills up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Looking good bud. Kind of keep an eye on your bearings. They are not the best. I was constantly cleaning them with WD40 and then re-lubing them. I finally had to buy a set of Carters which I wish I had done some while back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Jamie said: They all carry a poplar dowel but no oak. I have gone to using a dowel plate. Now I can do any species dowel... wish I had done this a while ago. 1 Quote "Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not; remember that what you now have was once among the things you only hoped for." - Epicurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye (Bryan) Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 19 hours ago, Chet said: I have gone to using a dowel plate. Now I can do any species dowel... wish I had done this a while ago. You using the Veritas or other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Woodenskye (Bryan) said: You using the Veritas or other? I got the DFM Toolworks I heard good reviews on it PLUS it is in 1/32 increments instead of 1/16 https://www.amazon.com/DFM-Steel-Dowel-Plate-English/dp/B07Q4RY3T7 Quote "Do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not; remember that what you now have was once among the things you only hoped for." - Epicurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I have the LN one and think it's overpriced! If I didn't have that one and were in the market, I think I'd hit a local machine shop and ask them to make me one. There's just not much to them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 Found the dowel on Lowe’s website and will be delivered Wednesday. Hated to pay 8$ shipping for a $3 part so ordered a few other things to get free shipping. Makes sense to spend $40 to save $8. But at least I didn’t have to pay to ship it! I like the idea of the dowel plate, that thought has crossed my mind. Never did I expect that there would be no oak dowel within an hour drive. Got the breadboard ends grove cut tonight and am happy with the fit. Need to get the tenons glued into the top yet. Spent the rest of the night working on the feet. Finished machining them to size with the planer and drum sander. Got the mortises layed out and a few of them cut. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Does your bb end sit proud of the top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Coop said: Does your bb end sit proud of the top? Nope it’s pretty much flush. The ends will also be trimmed flush but am waiting to do that till the very end. Want to get all the movement out of the top before I trim. Am planning on taking the top back to the wide belt sander after it is pinned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 The reason for proud in my builds was lack of confidence in getting them flush. Good on ya! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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